Why does arwen get sick

By the end of the saga, it turns out that this magical-looking piece of jewelry had no special function, apart from serving as a simple romantic gesture. It's definitely someone's milk cow, since the pendant is still a popular romantic gift today.

She will not long survive the evil that now spreads from Mordor. The film never explains how Sauron spreads this evil and why is Arwen suddenly dying because of it. The truth is, Arwen could not have been dying - unless Elrond meant that she will die if she decides to stay in Middle Earth to be with Aragorn and Sauron prevails. But that's not really the same thing, is it? What makes no sense about Arwen when she is first introduced is that she instantly cares so deeply about Frodo ; this is before they ever met.

Conveniently, she is an elf, a creature with superpowers. Some fans brush this illogical detail off, saying that it could be that as an elf, she has some sort of a foresight. When she speaks to Aragorn a. Strider, she mentions Frodo in Elvish. How could she have known what exactly was going on? Arwen has been around for ages before Aragorn was even born. However, she is presented as a completely static character. What did she do in all those years before he was even born?

She is immortal, but is willing to give it up in a heartbeat to be with him, even though he is far from being perfect. What kind of a message is this sending to young viewers? That it's okay for women to literally sacrifice their own lives for the one they love? They chose immortality. Although there were other examples of mixed blood and half-elven, it was only these two who were given the choice to choose a side. That choice also extended to their direct descendants.

They had two sons, Elrond and Elros. Elrond made the choice to remain immortal among the elves. Elros, however, chose to become mortal instead.

He and his people were gifted with longer life-spans, and he became the first King of the Numenoreans thus, Aragorn is a descendant of Elros, and going back further still, Beren and Luthien as well, and even Thingol. Of course, we are talking about MANY generations. As children of Elrond, Arwen and her brothers Elladan and Elrohir also are given this choice. Arwen, however makes her choice to become mortal, in order to stay and be with Aragorn.

It is unclear how much she has aged at the time of her death. Technically she was almost three-thousand years old, but her mortal life was just over a century they ruled Gondor for years. Her fate was tied to the ring now that she had chosen mortality, just as the fate of all men on middle earth was tied to it.

If the ring was destroyed, then her fate would take a better turn and she could join with Aragorn and become Queen of Gondor. Her dying seems to be a reference to the fact that with the choice she has made, she is in fact dying in the same way all men grow, age, and die.

If Aragorn and the Fellowship do not succeed in their mission, it is very likely that she will die. The good news is that the answers to these questions are more clear in the books.

The other pictures are screen grabs from the movies. I was researching to see if anyone has made any sense of Arwen leaving Rivendelll twice during the movies. She left once in The Two Towers when Elrond talked her into it; and she had left again in The Return of the King when she had the vision of Elrond with Eldrarion, and turned back to Rivendell. When did she return to Rivendell after the first departure, and where was she during the intervening time?

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The Ring was putting scary thoughts into the bearer's mind everytime someone tries to get it. Well, that's what I thought Originally posted by Arathorn However, with the Galadriel scene, I'vestarted thinking that maybe it was Frodo's vision of her thanks to the power of the One Ring.

That's an interesting idea. Never thought of it like that, but it works; I like your reasoning. Jackson just purely wanted to tie the movie in as being about Aragorn. The sole purpose of destroying the Ring is so Aragorn can become King. Arwen's "dying" just makes it more dramatic. Although RotK was somewhat better than the other movies - there are a lot of stupid changes - such as this one. Originally posted by Arathorn I agree with you, Ben. I agree.

I actually read that chapter last night and I can see why it was done that way. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of a Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning!

Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair! She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! It also goes on later to state that Sam didn't see anything other than a light from her finger: 'Did you see my ring?

I saw a star through your fingers. But if you'll pardon my speaking out, I think my master was right. I wish you'd take his Ring It's clear that Sam didn't know what the heck was going on, lol :p. Jokes aside, I really don't grasp the concept. Why is she sick, according to the screenplay?

Originally posted by Elfhelm Jokes aside, I really don't grasp the concept. I don't see it as she's "sick", but that she is now mortal, and thus is, well, dying. Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner Hmmm, maybe you feel this way because you are a "SquintyEyedSoutherner". If Sauron had won and regained the Ring, a dark shadow, both figuratively and literally, would have covered all of Middle Earth.

Being wholly evil however, Sauron would never honored any agreement any peoples' thought he had made with them. If Sauron had ever regained the Ring, all men would become enslaved, be debased and perish in humilating, terrible ends.

Originally posted by Maciliel Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner It seems to me that the fate of the entire race of men is irrefutably tied to the fate of the Ring. Yes, the "fate" of men would be debased by a Sauron victory [at least until an eventual, and inevitable, intervention by Iluvatar] , but I also, like that SquintyEyedSoutherner, didn't like PJ equating a Sauron dominated, controlled mankind with the physical elimation of all men.

Just as Saruman kept men around and didn't rely only on orcs so would Sauron. Especially since men proved to be more easily corrupted by Morgoth or Sauron then elves. And look at 20th Century history. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. I agree with Tuor as well.

The physical elimination of the entire race of men was invented for the film to simplify the story, and was never even implied by Tolkien. I admit my concept of ME is based fundamentally and irrevocably in the books, but because I am utterly and unapologetically wowed by the films, I am also attempting to reconcile the changes necessary to translating the literary form to the medium of film and thus make them consonant with my own vision of Tolkien's world.

This process is ideosyncratic and highly subjective at best, a muddle at worst. I have seen RotK twice to date--does it say anywhere in the film that Sauron is seeking the eradication of Men? I don't recall it if it does, but this just might be me phase shifting my knowledge of the books with the information presented in the film. I know the Orc at Osgiliath says the dominion of Men is ending and that of Orcs is on the rise or something to that effect, but I don't remember if he says explicitly that Mankind will be wiped out.

I agree with the point that a tyrant needs subjects--as such I believe that Mankind under Sauron would live a horribly debased existence and all would die terrible deaths, tortured in body, mind and spirit by the circumstances of their existence, whether slowly or quickly. This interpretation does necessitate that Mankind would necessarily be exterminated.

There might be whole cultures living for centuries in a condition of moral degeneracy or vicious cruelty. They would survive in a state of increasingly debased humanity. Sauron's aim was the dominion of Evil, and in terms of ruling classes this also might lead ipso facto to the ascendency of Orcs as the dominant species. Pure speculation of course. And wow Tuor, you certainly toss a wild card into the fray--would the intervention of Iluvatar be inevitable if Men were not continuing to resist evil in some way?

In Ea, could not ME fall into darkness for all eternity and some other area of existence rise into the light for a time? Prolly another thread. Haven't visited SF-Fandom. I am somewhat and apologetically wowed by the films. From The Silmarillion: Then Iluvatar spoke, and he said: 'Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done.

And thou, Melkor, shall see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined. If you will to kill someone and you are then miraculously stopped from doing so there would not seem to be real free will. An example, Melkor tries to mess up Middle-earth, causing the original symmetry to be lost, but through efforts of the Valar eventually!

Hope that makes some sense. Of course, the problem of free will in a monotheistic world like Ea is fundamental. So I think Maciliel your interpretation of what PJ was trying to get across is correct. She is also shown looking quite sick as well. On the death of men. You are right Maciliel elephant man orc does indeed say something to the effect that it is the end of the age of men and the beginning of the age of the orc, and Saruman has said similar things too.

I enjoyed it much more this time, not sure why. Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner After seeing the film again today Weird isn't it? I think it's because we're no longer jarred by the departures from the text and so we're not constantly having to reconcile what we're seeing with our personal image of the story on the spot as they occur.

For instance, I couldn't believe that PJ didn't work in having the standard unfurl as the ships sailed in to the Harlond, but it wouldn't have worked in the movie--Halbarad had never showed up with the standard : and the moment would have been meaningless to anyone who had never read the book. The way PJ did it in the movie worked very well for the movie.